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Nexus, Publish By GHD.
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Where ideas connect.
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Many communities around the world
are facing a housing crisis.
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How can practical solutions, technological
developments and major reforms
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help us make headway
on this intergenerational issue?
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Today, we're looking at new,
unexpected developments
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in the affordability
and accessibility of housing.
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I'm really delighted to be joined
by Hugh Utting in London,
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who's an urban planner,
strategic consultant and recent Sir
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John Monash Scholar
at the University of Cambridge.
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I also have with me
the Director of architecture, Craig Muir,
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a specialist in urban design and urban
infrastructure.
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Craig has been recognized
by Curtin University alumni
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for his professional achievements
in the humanities
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and joins me from Perth, Australia.
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It seems that every generation in recent
memory has experienced a housing crisis.
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How are the challenges today
different to what we've seen in the past?
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Craig, what's your perspective?
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Oh, Jill,
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I think in today's environment,
the impact of climate change is paramount.
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It's impacting communities and housing,
particularly in a number of ways.
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From, energy cost,
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and sustainability issues, right
through to,
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events such as floods and droughts
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that are impacting communities
and housing dramatically.
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And, as a result of that,
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we're seeing a range of challenges
that, we've not experienced in the past.
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And, Hugh, you know,
you're in another part of the world.
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What's your perspective
on, how the challenges that we face today
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are different to what we might have seen
in the past, in the housing sector?
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Well, look,
I completely agree with Craig that
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I think climate change is going to be
the biggest issue of this century.
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And really, this generation in regards
to housing, I think particularly
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also around insurance and the ability
to get more mortgages as climate change
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impacts, be it freak events, create
sort of a and more unstable climate.
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Big banks, financial institutions
are going to be reviewing
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if people can afford to leave in places
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such as in fires, irons
or in coastal properties.
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I think linking to something else
in a more global context here in the UK,
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I think the housing bubble,
when the financialization of the housing
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market from, record low interest rates,
I think this generation
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is going to have a real test
as those interest rates increase,
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and it will be something to watch about
how the strength of the market
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continues,
as borrowing costs increase as well.
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Yeah.
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And so you've both spoken there
about both the, physical, and impacts
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of climate change and the financial
or economic perspectives.
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What, unexpected solutions or innovations
are you saying in response
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to these challenges?
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Here.
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Well, I think what's most interesting
is actually
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the institutions
getting involved, in housing provision.
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But so here in the UK,
because of the record house price growth
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that has happened over
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the last couple of decades, institutions
like the transport for London
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and Cambridge University,
two very different, public sector
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public sector institutions are investing
in major housing projects,
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to help provide revenue streams
for their respective sort of businesses,
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but also accommodation.
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So in the university of Cambridge's case,
the academics and students,
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but for transport for London for
the social affordable housing provision.
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Why are they doing this?
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Well they've got the excess land
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and they've also got the capital
and sort of the, strategic intent
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that for these businesses to survive,
they've got to get new revenue streams
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and housing and particularly affordable
and social housing provides a stable
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but also social benefit stream,
for these respective organizations.
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And we're seeing around the world
similar patterns occur.
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You know,
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we might do a little bit of a deeper dive
on that affordability piece in a minute.
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But, Craig,
your perspective will be quite different,
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I think because of the work you do
in, remote regions in Western Australia.
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What, what unexpected solutions
or innovations are you saying in response
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to those challenges
that the housing market is facing?
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Look,
you're seeing in certainly in Australia
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the rise of the build to rent model,
which is really about providing
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a long term secure rental solution,
for portions of the community across
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all demographics, and to the extent
that in some states in Australia,
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you're seeing subsidies
come from state government to those build
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to rent communities,
to enable them to be affordable,
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and, as Hugh alluded to, you know,
across the US, the rise of you bricks
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or university based retirement communities
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has been enormous
over the last few decades.
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To the extent there's over
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100 in the, in the US,
which has substantial land holdings,
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they've used that to provide,
accommodation on site, as a community
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benefit to their alumni and the broader
community we're now seeing that
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also occur, across Australia
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and some of the universities
in terms of their housing offer.
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That co-locate, by student housing
and retirement, living on a university
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campus as a way to, provide vitality
and options to a broader community.
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In the regions,
what we're seeing, is a struggle
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for key worker accommodation,
as, the cost of housing increases.
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And as a result, you're seeing
many businesses provide accommodation
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as part of packaging,
in order to make those affordable
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and then state government initiatives,
around, key worker affordable
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housing complexes again to support
that key component of the economy.
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I think that that, piece
around the housing for key workers
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is a worldwide phenomenon and challenge
that we're facing.
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Hugh, have you seen that as a key issue
in the UK?
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Absolutely, Jill.
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I think also
the definition of key worker has changed.
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I think in previous
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sort of decades it was regardless of lower
socio economic workers
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now, middle class professions
such as doctors, nurses
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working for the NHS,
white collar professions
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and now regarded as struggling
to enter the housing market.
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And I think one of the big changes
in approaches is that this is now
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become a family, middle class problem
in a lot of developed countries,
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and so it means political actors,
institutions,
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financial organizations
are actually having to recalibrate.
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This issue is not from sort of
a social good.
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Affordability perspective to do.
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You actually have a housing market
that facilitates broader
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economic and social objectives.
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You can't have a functioning economy
if all functioning members of society
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unable to enter and access good housing
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close to shops, amenities, workplaces,
transport links.
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And I think how this will change is that
there will be much more adaptive uses,
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looking at more short term
utilizations of land pop ups,
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particularly around the provision,
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of housing in response to major events.
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So, for example, post bushfires, post
fires, the point around
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where are we going to get the changes
is that we're already seeing changes
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in response to climate change events
to create pop up, accessible housing.
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And these sort of temporary models,
I think, are going to become more common,
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as they're seen as quick, high quality,
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reliable ways to house populations
in broader urban centers.
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Yeah.
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And look, if you've come to the nub of it
for me, at the moment and that is
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how do you think the way
we are approaching that whole pace around
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affordability and therefore accessibility
will change in the future?
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What needs to be different?
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You I'll come to you.
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I think the biggest change is sort of
within our political economy.
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Previously, affordable housing
is sort of been regarded as an issue
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for lower income,
individuals and housing groups.
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I think what we've seen in recent decades
is that the issue is now a firmly middle
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class, issue for people
across developed countries.
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And as a result, political actors
and institutions
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have to take a much stronger role
in creating new models,
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but also facilitating the best land uses
for housing.
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And as a result of that,
I think we're going to see much more
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generous and creative ideas
and sort of the temporary housing
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which we've already seen in response
to climate change events
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and these sort of structures,
ways of working around government,
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I think, is going to become a bigger part
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of how our cities are designed
and shaped to create new housing stock.
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Yeah.
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And that really leads me
then to ask you a question, Craig.
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And that is, as an architect,
how do you think the way we approach
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that affordable and accessibility
will change in the future?
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What do you think
the architect of the future will be doing?
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Oh, look, I think there'll be
a reevaluation of planning frameworks,
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and the use patterns of, of
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of land and property,
as we've seen the rise of,
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you know, the short stay accommodation
over the last decade and the displacement
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of long term rentals, that's
distorted the market in some locations,
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and has an impact on housing
affordability
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and accessibility
for those wishing to rent.
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And what
we're seeing now, you know, reaction
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of some local authorities
imposing higher levels of taxes on those,
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those properties, some are saying
structural changes around zoning,
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and all of those things,
will, will develop over time to try to,
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I think, to find some balance around,
short term
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accommodation that supports an economy
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from a tourist perspective
and that those longer term, leases
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that provide that key worker accommodation
that he was referring to.
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I think also,
there are opportunities around
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the volumetric modularization of housing.
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It's certainly in Europe.
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It's, it's a, an established pathway
to housing development, less
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so in Australia is used in remote
and regional locations,
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and for some highly repetitive
building types.
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But I think, as we,
as we are looking at the circular economy
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and efficiency and production techniques
that design for manufacturing assembly,
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is a pathway to more cost
effective buildings,
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that are more accessible and,
and also offer much higher
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sustainability credentials.
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And one of the things that, you know,
we're seeing with, with the current,
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energy crisis, increased utility bills,
becoming unsustainable
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for many at the, at the lower
end of the socioeconomic tree.
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And, you know, those those,
households really need
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high performing buildings that are energy
efficient, water efficient,
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that make the most of their resources,
and reduce their running costs.
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And, yeah, that's the direction,
I see the market hitting,
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to the extent
that banks are now offering,
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you know,
a, a discount on mortgages, wind,
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you can provide a more highly sustainable
dwelling.
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And,
you know, that institutional investment
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of encouragement
and incentive, will only drive,
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you know, innovation in the future.
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You all throw this one to you.
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What unexpected solutions or innovations
are you saying in response
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to these challenges?
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I think the potential entry of this
translates superannuation funds into
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the housing sector is going to be
a really interesting development,
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for our international audience,
these superannuation funds,
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have trillions of dollars in assets
and are looking for sustainable
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financial assets
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that that are also delivering a common
good, particularly the ones that have
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union links and housing,
I think offers a really interesting,
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diverse asset base that allows long term
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revenue streams and
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because of the high entry costs
into the Australian,
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but also around New Zealand, UK
markets to be properly players,
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superannuation funds are one of the few
major institutions available
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that actually have the capability,
and the funds
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to deliver mass housing.
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It's very contingent at that moment
if they should or if they should leave
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that to major institutions
like Lendlease and be a shareholder.
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But I think the increasing
commentary around superannuation funds
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needing to have a bigger common
purpose in Australia,
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as well as providing a financial return,
means that the housing equation
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is something that more more funds,
I think, are going to be looking at
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as part of their diverse investment
portfolios moving forward.
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And you I think it's probably worth
pointing out that, particularly
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with the built rent sector
as opposed to build to sell,
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the build to rent center requires
very high levels of capital
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because you've got to build
the development,
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before you can rent it,
because there are no purchases.
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So it lends itself
to superannuation funds.
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I think they're a great candidate
for that social benefit,
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because you're talking about projects
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in the order of between,
you know, 150 and 500 units.
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And obviously, the capital to develop
integrated communities of that scale
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is very significant.
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And the average developer,
requires on sale
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pre-sales and bank funding to, organize
those kinds of projects.
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So having, a large capital base
is essential to developing,
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a broader, platform for housing.
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And in, you know, in the US,
you know, over over 30% of, rental
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housing is through institutional investors
in the build to rent segment.
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So I, you know,
I think that sends a message about
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where Australia might go in the future
and, and also the UK for that matter.
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And what's really interesting about that
100 to 500 sort of unit development mark
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is that the ideal medium density
development, ideally along a track,
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which planners, architects
and a lot of government
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officials around that 20 minute city
have been advocating for.
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But very few market,
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competitors right now
delivering that product.
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So it sort of hits
that perfect balance between
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achieving the
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broader holistic urban planning
sustainability goals, as well as providing
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investment and, most importantly,
homes and communities that people want,
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which is in existing suburbs
with close access to infrastructure.
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Yeah, it really does
link to that piece around accessibility.
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So we started this conversation
by thinking about the generational issues
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around housing and affordability
and accessibility, and climate change.
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Was at the peak of your thoughts?
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We then wove our way through the social,
economic, financial
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and political issues around,
housing affordability, accessibility.
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And then we kind of ended up, back
talking about the impact of,
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climate change
and the resilience of communities.
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I think the exploration we've done
today has been a really good summary
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of those contemporary issues around
housing affordability and accessibility,
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and ones that we all really need
to put our minds
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to, to solve for the future.
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That was Hugh Utting and Craig Muir
exploring housing
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affordability and accessibility.
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I'm Jill Hannaford.
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Thanks for joining us.
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